Wharton Business Radio

After the Blockchain Bubble

Cryptocurrency prices have crashed and blockchain applications have not gained traction. What comes next? Will we look back on this time as the end of an overhyped fad, or a speed bump in the development of a major technological revolution? Wharton Professor Kevin Werbach talks with seven experts in a variety of fields all relating to different aspects of blockchain. Together we’ll discuss the future of blockchain and cryptocurrency. Kevin Werbach is the author of “The Blockchain and the New Architecture of Trust” and a Professor of Legal Studies and Business Ethics at the Wharton School.

This special will be replayed the following times:

  • Tuesday 12/18 – 8 to 10 am ET
  • Wednesday 12/19 – 7 to 9 pm ET
  • Thursday 12/20 – 2 to 4 pm ET
  • Friday 12/21 – 4 to 6 pm ET
  • Saturday 12/22 – 8 to 10 am ET
  • Sunday 12/23 – Noon to 2pm ET

Listen to the podcasts here:

Air Date: Monday, December 17, 2018 on SiriusXM 132

Hosted By

Michael Casey

Air Time: 12:00 pm
Featuring: Michael Casey

Jalak Jobanputra

Air Time: 12:20 pm
Featuring: Jalak Jobanputra

Amber Baldet

Air Time: 12:40 pm
Featuring: Amber Baldet

Tim Swanson

Air Time: 1:00 pm
Featuring: Tim Swanson

Caitlin Long

Air Time: 1:15 pm
Featuring: Caitlin Long

Tonya Evans

Air Time: 1:30 pm
Featuring: Tonya Evans

Marco Santori

Air Time: 1:45 pm
Featuring: Marco Santori

Featured Guests

Michael Casey

Senior Advisor, Digital Currency Initiative, MIT Media Lab


Michael Casey is an author/journalist, public speaker, entrepreneur, blockchain technology advisor/consultant and the chairman of CoinDesk’s advisory board.  As an advisor to the MIT Media Lab’s Digital Currency Initiative and senior lecturer at MIT Sloan School of Management, he counsels students and faculty on research projects that harness blockchain technology to achieve resource efficiency and social impact. Formerly a reporter, bureau chief, editor and columnist at The Wall Street Journal, Michael is keeping his hand in media as the founder of Streambed, a new early-stage multimedia production company that’s both focused on and powered by new technologies. He is also the author of five books including, with his co-author Paul Vigna, “The Truth Machine: The Blockchain and the Future of Everything” and “The Age of Cryptocurrency: How Bitcoin and Digital Money are Challenging the Global Economic Order.”
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Jalak Jobanputra

Founding Partner, Future\Perfect Ventures


Jalak Jobanputra is the Founding Partner of Future\Perfect Ventures, an early stage venture capital fund in NYC focused on next-generation technology such as blockchain and machine learning. FPV’s portfolio includes Abra, Open Garden, Blockstream, Bitpesa, FuseMachines, Everledger, and Blockchain. Jalak was awarded Institutional Investor’s Top Fintech Dealmakers of 2017 and 2016 and was also listed as a 100 Most Influential Fintech Leader of 2016 and 2017 based on her investment strategy at FPV. In 2017, she was cited as a “Top 5 Investor Powering the Blockchain Boom” and Crunchbase noted FPV as one of the top VC funds in blockchain “before it was cool”. In Spring 2018, Jalak received the Microsoft Top VC Trailblazer Award for her “valuable contribution to the blockchain community” and was appointed to the American Banker Advisory Board. Since founding the firm, she has spoken on blockchain technology, IoT, and artificial intelligence at many global conferences, including the Milken Global Institute, Dutch Development Bank/FMO annual meeting, and The Economist Buttonwood Gathering. Additionally, Jalak is the Founder of Collective Future, a global initiative to foster diversity, inclusion, and education in the blockchain sector.

Before founding Future\Perfect Ventures, Jobanputra was the Director of Mobile Investments at Omidyar Network, a philanthrocapitalist fund started by Pierre Omidyar, co-founder of eBay. While there, she created a mobile investment strategy, invested in an East African mobile tech incubator, invested in the fastest growing Indian mobile classified ad site, and closed Omidyar’s largest for-profit investment ($5M) to date in Latin America, a wireless company that created credit profiles on unbanked middle income consumers using mobile data.

Jobanputra was previously Senior Vice President at the New York City Investment Fund (NYCIF), a private economic development fund, where she managed the fund’s technology and digital media venture investments. While there, Jobanputra spearheaded the formation of NYCSeed in 2008, a seed fund dedicated to funding early stage tech entrepreneurs in NYC, in response to a market gap in seed funding at the time. She was also on the selection committee and served as a mentor and speaker for NYCSeedStart, NYC’s first summer accelerator program, and helped launch the FinTech Innovation Lab, which has since been replicated in London and Hong Kong. Jobanputra worked closely with the Bloomberg administration and NYCEDC to implement initiatives to help diversify the NYC economy through NYC’s growing tech/digital sectors and served on Governor Paterson’s Small Business Taskforce. Her portfolio at NYCIF included outside.in (acquired by AOL), Thumbplay (acquired by Clear Channel), Schoolnet (acquired by Pearson) and TXVia (acquired by Google), in addition a debt instrument to Grameen America, and seed investments in Magnetic, Ticketfly (acquired by Pandora), Enterproid (acquired by Google) and SeatGeek.

Prior to NYCIF, she was a Principal at New Venture Partners, a $300 million early stage venture fund that commercialized technology out of corporate labs. At NVP, she founded and served as interim CEO of Real Time Content (spun out of British Telecom) in 2005, a personalized video ad platform, and was a Director of Procelerate Technologies, a SaaS workflow management tool for the aerospace industry. She also incubated a range of other technologies, including speech recognition/NLP, 3D displays, video surveillance, 4G wireless broadband, and music recommendation software. From 1999-2003, Jobanputra was at Intel Capital in Silicon Valley, where she invested in enterprise software, internet and digital media startups, including Demantra (sold to Oracle), Extricity (sold to Peregrine), Viacore (sold to IBM), R Systems (IPO), Financial Engines (IPO), Yodlee (IPO) and Zinio. In 1997 in NYC, in the early days of Silicon Alley, she launched and managed product development for online financial information startup Horsesmouth. She began her career in media, telecom and tech investment banking at Lehman Brothers and Broadview in NYC and London.

Jobanputra is also active in supporting education reform and social entrepreneurship.  She served as a Trustee of Achievement First Bushwick Charter Schools (Brooklyn) and sat on the Executive Committee of the Social Investment Council of Echoing Green. She is on the Board of Directors for the Center for an Urban Future, Advisory Board of L’Oreal’s Women in Digital Initiative, member of Mayor DeBlasio’s Broadband Taskforce, and former Access to Capital Subcommittee member of the US Secretary of State Women’s Leadership Council. Jobanputra served on the NYC Downtown Alliance “LM” Leadership Committee, announced by Mayor Bloomberg on Sept. 12, 2013, and served as a 2010 Mentor for the Unreasonable Institute in Boulder, a summer accelerator for social entrepreneurs worldwide. In 2003, she took a yearlong sabbatical from VC to consult on replication strategy for Gates Foundation funded charter schools, including the Big Picture Company. Jobanputra spent four months setting up microfinance programs and training women entrepreneurs in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania after receiving her MBA from the Kellogg School of Management in 1999. She graduated magna cum laude from the University of Pennsylvania with a BA in Communications from the Annenberg School and a BSE in Finance from the Wharton School.

Jobanputra was selected as an Outstanding 50 Asian American in Business in 2010 by the Asian American Development Center. She was selected as a US State Department Delegate to Indonesia in the summer of 2011, where she met with entrepreneurs, angel investors and business leaders to promote tech entrepreneurship. In November 2012 she participated in an Aspen Institute delegation to Amman, Jordan to meet with King Abdullah II, mideast entrepreneurs and investors. Jobanputra has been asked to speak on entrepreneurship and innovation ecosystems by the Obama White House and throughout the world, and has played a leadership role in the tech community on immigration reform. Jobanputra is a regular contributor on CNBC and BloombergTV and has been interviewed by MarketPlace Radio, Forbes, SeekingAlpha and other national publications. She can be found at @jalak or on her blog www.thebarefootvc.com (named a top 10 investor blog by several sources including Business Insider).
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Amber Baldet

Co-Founder and CEO, Clovyr


Amber is co-founder and CEO of Clovyr, a company reshaping how businesses connect to each other and the world’s data. Having previously led JPMorgan’s blockchain efforts and appearing on 2017’s Fortune’s 40 Under 40 list of the most influential young people in business, she “handily bridges the divide between the Wall Street and crypto sets.” Amber also leads the FINOS Decentralized Ecosystem program, building open source tooling for the financial industry, and serves on the Board of the Zcash Foundation, a non-profit dedicated to building Internet payment and privacy infrastructure for the public good. She has spoken at SXSW, Money 20/20, Consensus, MIT, Wharton, EthCC, Defcon, and numerous other venues.
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Tim Swanson

Founder and Director of Research, Post Oak Labs


Tim Swanson is the founder and director of research at Post Oak Labs.  He was previously a visiting research fellow at the Singapore University of Social Sciences as well as at Sim Kee Boon Institute at Singapore Management University.  He worked in East Asia for more than six years and is currently based in the San Francisco Bay Area.  He is a graduate of Texas A&M University.

His 2015 paper: “Consensus-as-a-service: a brief report on the emergence of permissioned, distributed ledger systems” popularized the term “permissioned” blockchain (or ledger), a topic which remains a mainstay at fintech conferences globally.

He is the author of three books:

He is currently an advisor to Elm LabsClearmatics, and Blockseer (acquired by DMG), and was an advisor to Hyperledger (acquired by DAH).  He does not own any cryptocurrencies in any of the companies or projects he has written about, nor has he received financial compensation for including companies or projects within his articles.  He was previously the Director of Market Research at R3.

His research papers have been cited in a variety of media and has appeared on more than one hundred industry panels and events over the past four years. He is also frequently quoted in media including: Wired, MIT Technology Review, Reuters, The New York Times, Bloomberg, The Wall Street Journal, The Financial Times, The New Republic, American Banker, and International Business Times.

He can be reached at: tim at postoaklabs dot com

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Caitlin Long

Co-Founder, Wyoming Blockchain Coalition


Caitlin Long is a 22-year Wall Street veteran who has been active in bitcoin and blockchain since 2012. In 2018 she helped enact 5 blockchain-enabling laws in her native state of Wyoming, and is now working on 6 more. She jointly spearheaded a blockchain project for delivering market index data to Vanguard as chairman and president of Symbiont, an enterprise blockchain start-up, from 2016-18. Caitlin ran Morgan Stanley’s pension solutions business (2007-2016), held senior roles at Credit Suisse (1997-2007) and began her career at Salomon Brothers (1994-1997).  She is a graduate of Harvard Law School (JD, 1994), the Kennedy School of Government (MPP, 1994) and the University of Wyoming (BA, 1990).

twitter – @CaitlinLong_
Personal Site – https://caitlin-long.com/
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Tonya Evans

Professor of Law, Chair of Intellectual Property & Technology Online Programs, New Hampshire School of Law


Tonya M. Evans is a Professor of Law at the University of New Hampshire School of Law with expertise in the areas of intellectual property, new technologies (including blockchain and crypto assets), entrepreneurship & innovation, entertainment law, trusts & estates, and municipal finance. Professor Evans joined the faculty on July 1, 2017. She was also recently appointed for a three-year term to the Advisory Council (Intellectual Property Committee) for the United States Court of Federal Claims.

Prior to UNH Law, she served as Associate Professor of Law and Associate Dean of Inclusion & Equity at Widener University Commonwealth Law School. Professor Evans served as Associate Visiting Professor of Law at UNLV William S. Boyd School of Law during the summer of 2016 and also served as Adjunct Professor of copyright, publishing and licensing at York College of Pennsylvania in Spring 2007.

A select list of her publications include, Cryptokitties, Cryptography & Copyright (forthcoming), User “Safer Harbor” from Statutory Damages: Remixing the DOC’s IP Task Force White Paper, 54 San Diego L. Rev. 1 (2017); Statutory Heirs Apparent?: Reclaiming Copyright in the Age of Author-Controlled, Author-Benefiting Transfers, 119 W. Va. Law Rev. 297 (2016), Safe Harbor for the Innocent Infringer in the Digital Age, 50 Willamette L. Rev. 1 (2013), Reverse Engineering IP, 17 Marquette Intell. Prop. L. Rev. 61 (2013); and Sampling, Looping and Mashing … Oh My! How Hip Hop Music is Scratching More Than the Surface of Copyright Law, 21 Fordham Intell. Prop. Media & Ent. L.J. 843 (2011).

Safe Harbor was judged one of the best law review articles related to entertainment, publishing and/or the arts published in the 2013-14 academic publishing cycle and selected for inclusion in the 2014 edition of the Entertainment, Publishing and the Arts Handbook, an anthology published annually by Thomson Reuters (West).

Professor Evans speaks and consults regularly in the United States and abroad about the legal implications of new technologies an innovation for startups, entrepreneurs and creatives. Recently, Professor Evans delivered presentations at the law offices of Tilleke & Gibbins (Bangkok, Thailand) and the Annual Meeting of Licensing Executives Society (LES)-Thailand (IP issues in fintech and blockchain), the New England Chapter of the Copyright Society of the USA (copyright & succession laws), the Association for American Law Schools Annual Meeting (copyright & succession laws), the annual South by Southwest interactive, film, and music industries Festival (copyright & new technologies), and the Yahoo Finance All Markets Summit:Crypto. Professor Evans is also author of an award-winning series of legal reference guides for writers and publishing industry professionals and was selected by Writer’s Digest Book Club as a club selection for its members.

Professor Evans attended Northwestern University on a four-year tennis scholarship, and thereafter she competed on the women’s professional tennis circuit and played most notably in the US Open, Virginia Slims of Philadelphia, and Lipton in 1993. After retiring from the tennis circuit in 1995, she attended Howard University on an academic scholarship. During law school, Professor Evans interned with the Honorable Arthur L. Burnett, Sr. in the Superior Court for the District of Columbia, with U.S. Congressman Chaka Fattah and with the Honorable Theodore A. McKee in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. Professor Evans also served as Editor-in-Chief of the Howard Law Journal (1997-1998).

Additional Information

Professor Evans is also a performance poet and author of two poetry books: Seasons of Her: A Collection of Poetry and SHINE! (book/CD). Additionally, her short story, Not Tonight, appears in an anthology titled Proverbs for the People, published by Kensington.

Professor Evans is admitted to practice in Pennsylvania, District of Columbia, New Jersey, Eastern District of Pennsylvania, the Third Circuit and New York. She is also Board Chair of The Pinkwellchick Foundation, Inc. and Board Member of the New Hampshire Women’s Foundation.


  • J.D., Howard University (Dc)


@IPProfEvans | @CryptoSmartEsq

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Marco Santori

President and Chief Legal Officer, Blockchain.com


Marco is the President and Chief Legal Officer of Blockchain.com. Known as the “Dean of Digital Currency Lawyers,” Marco is a recognized authority in the law and policy of block chain technologies. Prior to his move to Blockchain.com, as a Partner at both Cooley LLP and Pillsbury Winthrop, he counseled banks, broker-dealers, exchanges, wallets, payment providers, and other companies making new and exciting uses of distributed ledger technology. Marco counseled his clients primarily on the money transmission and securities laws, including anti-money laundering regulations. Marco is an author of the SAFT Project Whitepaper, responsible for the first self-regulatory effort for token sales (also known colloquially as ICOs). He is an advisor to the International Monetary Fund, the Blockchain Ambassador to the State of Delaware, and was the Chairman of the Regulatory Affairs Committee of the Bitcoin Foundation. He has been quoted by Bloomberg, the Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Coindesk, Washington Post, The New Yorker, Wired, Entrepreneur.com and Crain’s New York Business.

Personal Site – https://www.marcosantori.com/
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