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Knowledge @Wharton: July 13, 2018

Host Dan Loney is joined by Michael Desch (Professor and Director of the International Security Center at the University of Notre Dame. • University of Notre Dame), Andy Eavis (Honorary President; World Expert Caving Authority • The International Union of Speleology), Peter Granville (Research Assisstant • Institute for Research on Higher Education), Devin Fergus (Arvarh E. Strickland Distinguished Professor of History and Black Studies • Missouri University), and Garret Martin (Professorial Lecturer, School of International Service • American University) on the Friday, July 13, 2018 edition of Knowledge@Wharton.

Air Date: Friday, July 13, 2018 on SiriusXM 132

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Knowledge @Wharton: July 13, 2018 10:00

Air Time: 10:00 am
Featuring: Michael Desch, Garret Martin

Knowledge @Wharton: July 13, 2018 10:30

Air Time: 10:30 am
Featuring: Andy Eavis, Michael Useem

Knowledge @Wharton: July 13, 2018 11:00

Air Time: 11:00 am
Featuring: Peter Granville, Joni Finney

Knowledge @Wharton: July 13, 2018 11:30

Air Time: 11:30 am
Featuring: Devin Fergus

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Michael Desch

Professor and Director of the International Security Center at the University of Notre Dame. • University of Notre Dame


Michael Desch is Professor and Director of the International Security Center at the University of Notre Dame. He was the founding Director of the Scowcroft Institute of International Affairs and the first holder of the Robert M. Gates Chair in Intelligence and National Security Decision-Making at the George Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M University from 2004 through 2008. Prior to that, he was Professor and Director of the Patterson School of Diplomacy and International Commerce at the University of Kentucky. From 1993 through 1998, he was Assistant Director and Senior Research Associate at the Olin Institute. He spent two years (1988-90) as a John M. Olin Post-doctoral Fellow in National Security at Harvard University’s Olin Institute for Strategic Studies and a year (1990-91) as a Visiting Scholar at the Center for International Studies at the University of Southern California before joining the faculty of Political Science at the University of California, Riverside (1991-1993).

He received his B.A. (With honors) in Political Science (1982) from Marquette University and his A.M. in International Relations (1984) and Ph.D. in Political Science (1988) from the University of Chicago.

He is the author of When the Third World Matters: Latin America and U.S. Grand Strategy (Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1993), Civilian Control of the Military: The Changing Security Environment (Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1999), Power and Military Effectiveness: The Fallacy of Democratic Triumphalism (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2008), co-editor of From Pirates to Drug Lords: The Post-Cold War Caribbean Security Environment (Albany: State University Press, 1998), editor of Soldiers in Cities: Military Operations on Urban Terrain (Carlisle, PA: U.S. Army War College, 2001), and has published scholarly articles and reviews in Foreign Affairs, International Organization, International Security, Survival, The Journal of Strategic Studies, Security Studies, Armed Forces and Society, Orbis, Joint Forces Quarterly, The Journal of Interamerican Studies and World Affairs, World Policy Journal, The American Political Science Review, The Journal of Interdisciplinary History, Mershon International Studies Review, Review of International Studies, and Ethics. He has served on the editorial boards of International Security and Security Studies. He has published opinion pieces in The Christian Science Monitor and The American Conservative and appears frequently on radio and television.

He has worked on the staff of a U.S. Senator, in the Bureau of Intelligence and Research at the Department of State, and in the Foreign Affairs and National Defense Division of the Congressional Research Service. He has traveled extensively in Europe, the Former Soviet Union, Asia, the Middle East, and the Western Hemisphere.

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Andy Eavis

Honorary President; World Expert Caving Authority • The International Union of Speleology


I went to the University of Leicester to do General Engineering. The big wide world of University offered many opportunities to me so I joined a whole load of clubs and societies, including the Exploration Society and Caving Club. One year later I was exploring a cave underneath a glacier in arctic Norway with the Leicester University Expedition Society. My love of exploration started.

On graduating I was offered a second degree in Mining Engineering at Leeds University sponsored by the National Coal Board. At that time Leeds University had possibly the best caving club in the world. On graduating a couple of years later, having explored a lot of caves in Britain, I did seven years with the National Coal Board becoming Colliery Manager grade. Being unemployable, I looked for something entrepreneurial and went into plastic moulding with two friends of mine, Mike and Noel Thompson. Thompson Plastics had been started a year or so earlier. The three of us then worked very hard on the business until I sold it in 2009 when it was turning over £42m and employing 750 people.

At the same time I had led more than 30 caving expeditions all over the world particularly to South East Asia. My teams mapping over 500 kilometres of some of the largest cave passages on earth. Many could be easily negotiated by aeroplane. I finished up as sole owner of the Thompson Plastics Group which I sold leading to the interesting retirement I enjoy now. Then for many years I was a Senior Member of the Society of Plastic Engineers (Europe) responsible for organising a 2 yearly conference in many European cities.

I have a lot of experience in low number plastic moulding including, vacuum forming, rotational moulding, and resin injection moulding. Simultaneously my hobby interest has led me to become Chairman of the British Caving Association, President of the World Caving Association, a post I have now held for 8 years. I have led over 30 caving expeditions around the world and been involved with many TV films, several more are in preparation at the moment.
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Peter Granville

Research Assisstant • Institute for Research on Higher Education


Peter Granville is a Research Assistant for IRHE and a 2017 master’s graduate of the Higher Education program at the University of Pennsylvania Graduate School of Education. He seeks to utilize data analytics and research to advocate for financially sustainable and equitable higher education policies at the federal and state levels. Peter is a 2016 graduate of Kenyon College in Ohio, with a background in Mathematics and English. He concurrently serves as Program Coordinator in Academic Resources at Haverford College.

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Devin Fergus

Arvarh E. Strickland Distinguished Professor of History and Black Studies • Missouri University


Devin Fergus is the Arvarh E. Strickland Distinguished Professor of History and Black Studies. His research focuses on political economy, policy, and inequality in modern America. Professor Fergus is the author of Land of the Fee (Oxford, 2018) which the explores the hidden costs of rising financial fees at home, school, work, and transportation on wealth and mobility in modern America. A much-anticipated work, Land of the Fee has been called one of the five best books for understanding capitalism today. His current research project examines white-collar crime and the racial wealth gap.

Fergus is guest editor of the special issue Banking without Borders: Culture and Credit in the New Financial World for Kalfou, a journal published by Temple University Press. This special issue examines the impact of four decades of financial deregulation in the US on vulnerable populations, which has increasingly affected the middle class. He has written widely on policy, political economy, and inequality for the New York Times, Washington Post, and the Guardian. Along with Louis Hyman, Bethany Moreton, and Julia Ott, Professor Fergus is also editor of the Columbia Studies in the History of U.S. Capitalism book series published by Columbia University Press.

Professor Fergus has worked closely with several national policy organizations (e.g., Demos, Closing the Racial Wealth Gap Initiative, the Center for Global Policy Solutions, and Prosperity Now) and has presented research to a number of federal entities, including the US Treasury, US Department of Education, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and the Special Master (Kenneth Feinberg) for TARP Executive Compensation. Professor Fergus received his PhD in American history from Columbia University.

Twitter – @Devin_Fergus
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Garret Martin

Professorial Lecturer, School of International Service • American University


Dr. Garret J. Martin is a Term faculty in the School of International Service, at American University. He has written widely on transatlantic relations, both in the field of history and contemporary affairs, and focuses in particular on security, US foreign policy, NATO, European foreign policy and defense, Europe, the European Union, France and the UK.
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